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[quote user="hifikrazy"]Will history prove that Christians were any more right or wrong in believing in theirs?[/quote] 

I think eventually Christianity will go the same way as the Greeks and their gods, yes. 

At least you're consistent with your "No scientific proof = No truth" way of thinking.

By the way, there are a lot of people in this other forum that you need to devote your time to convince that they're misguided by believing what they've read in the bible. Goodbye and it was nice having ya here, and don't forget to bring along your snake oil and placebo effect comments.

http://forums.christianity.com/

I think you have made my point for me. Hi-fi is the science of accurate sound reproduction, not a religion, and I don't like the way some people are trying to turn it into one. As soon as any religion contradicts empirical science that religion has to go.

"Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you."

You make some valid and interesting scientific points. I enjoy reading your non-offensive posts but keep them non-offensive please. It'd be a shame to lose a contributor like you due to straying into a subject matter that belongs elsewhere and may cause offense. I'm sure that's not your game.

[quote user="Will Harris"]Oldphrt, that's enough mate. Please stick to hi-fi and stay off subjects that have nothing to do with this forum. There is no point offending people and you'll only end up getting kicked out of here.

You make some valid and interesting scientific points. I enjoy reading your non-offensive posts but keep them non-offensive please. It'd be a shame to lose a contributor like you due to straying into a subject matter that belongs elsewhere and may cause offense. I'm sure that's not your game.

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I confess... I dragged it in only to make a point that many people believe in something that has no scientific proof, be it religion or hi-fi cables... and there really isn't anything wrong with that.

[quote user="hifikrazy"]

I confess... I dragged it in only to make a point that many people believe in something that has no scientific proof, be it religion or hi-fi cables... and there really isn't anything wrong with that.

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I agree. You can be as daft as you like, it's up to you. 

oldphrt, I really don't understand why you try to make music listening a science rather than an art. Call me daft for hearing differences between cables, but I really do hear those differences, and I'm as certain about that as you are certain that you can scientifically explain why there shouldn't be any differences.

Our knowledge of science today has certainly not reached its pinnacle, so what makes you so sure that there isn't another measurement that differs between cables, that science has still not found a way to measure yet?

If the way an equipment sounds can be measured, then all those hi-fi manufacturers would be able to do away with human ears when designing a product. They would just have to design a product that meets certain optimum measurements.

I really don't understand why you try to make music listening a science rather than an art.

 Music is an art, hi-fi is the science that makes us all able to listen to music with such amazing accuracy. Without science there would be nothing to discuss on here.

Call me daft for hearing differences between cables, but I really do hear those differences, and I'm as certain about that as you are certain that you can scientifically explain why there shouldn't be any differences.

I also hear the differences between speaker cables  but try as I might  I can't hear any difference between interconnects. Mains cables, now  that's really just damn stupid.
 

I'm not your mother, or your boss, or the site administrator. I'm just another Joe and you've upset me. That's all. You can choose to be rude in reply or you can recognise that someone here is potentially seeing eye to eye with you, just put off by some of the things you've said that go beyond the realms of hi-fi.

Religion is a dangerous topic to get onto, whether in the form of an analogy or otherwise. It's clear that these debates can get heated, just realise that it is not ok to offend with impunity.

I came this close to not replying, but as you've asked me directly, I'm letting you know. All the best.

Hi-fi is fast becoming a religion that requires faith in order to hear a difference in something that science says cannot be there. With that new hi-fi religion we have the parasites that feed from it, the rip-off merchants and charlatans. They are the equivalent of faith healers and homeopathic remedy sellers.

I don't particularly want to, or set out to, offend anyone, and if I have I done so I apologise, but then again if someone is talking palpable nonsense with an air of authority.....

Morning oldphrt, "why pay more" - that is clearly the question and to me the answer is extraordinarily simple - "'cos I went into the dealer, listened to two and chose the one that, to me, clearly sounded the best".

This is where we differ - you say I could not have heard a difference and if I did I imagined it, or fooled myself into believing there's a difference (hey - I just love spending  money - 3young kids and one wage!).

On a slight tangent, I was trying to see the difference between biwired and linked at speakers last night.  One speaker bi-wired,the other linked (with speaker cable).  Here, I could probably fool myself into thinking one was better than the other, but kept changing my mind!  So, I think if there is a difference, it's so small it won't matter to me.  Or it's the stereo making my testing method useless!

So, I can see what you mean when you think people can convince themsolves of a difference - I was at that point last night.

But the interconnects made a huge difference to me - there is no doubt in my mind.

Anyway - must stop waffling...

Just came back to see if anyone else had posted any replies to my question to find a lot of rambling off the subject, but a couple of useful messages in there too.  Anyway, I tried Thaiman's suggestion of searching for Gotham and I found a Swiss company (gotham.ch) making cables.  However, am I missing something with respect to the pricing?  Both Thaiman and bloney mention spending a tenner on the cables (which unless I'm very much mistaken means £10), but I don't see where they're getting these prices from?  According to the website an 'unbalanced analogue audio (single ended)' cable of 1 metre would cost 39.55CHF (£16.70) by my reckoning.  I e-mailed Gotham to ask for a quote and they have said 32CHF (£13.52) per cable.  I need 5 stereo interconnects so that's 10 single cables at 320CHF (£135.29), plus shipping of 85CHF (£35.93!) and a 3% paypal fee and it all comes to 417.15CHF (£176.36!).  That calculates out to around £35 per stereo pair, which to me is a lot of money.

Oh yeah, does anyone know anything about Fisual av interconnects, are they any good?  Have found Fisual SuperPearl Reference stereo pairs for £14.99.