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[quote user="Thaiman"]type in Gotham in serch engine [/quote] 

Holy hi-fi Batman! 

The Gothams do look nice and I notice they also offer a 7 day money back guarantee if you don't notice an improvement in sound (especially after they're burnt in, they reckon).

And they have the kudos of not being a main stream manufacturer too!

Might sneak a set in, under the radar, for a tenner - have d102mkIII, so would be interesting to try!

[quote user="bloney"]

The Gothams do look nice and I notice they also offer a 7 day money back guarantee if you don't notice an improvement in sound (especially after they're burnt in, they reckon).

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Burnt in? LOL 

Burnt in, indeed!  I agree with you on the is one Oldphrt!  I would be interested to hear the same cable type, but one fresh one and one burnt in one for comparison!

Isn't it odd though that, as far as I'm aware, the burn in period will always bring improvements! 

But, as I've said before, just 'cos I don't understand it, doesn't mean I think it's impossible (I mean - how can the  moon be made of cheese?!  But it is.).

[quote user="oldphrt"]

How about these? They come complete with snakeoil. Not that expensive either.

http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=oil+injected

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Yaaawwwnnnnn.... Snake oil, placebo effect.... Man, you're just like a broken record. Same old dribble from you. Why don't you give up on your one man crusade to convert all the forummers here who do believe in cables ...it ain't gonna work. Perhaps you could move your attention to some church to tell the congregation there about how having their prayers answered is a placebo effect, so they may as well give up their faith.

Now I'm not a religious person myself, but my point is that you'll never convince us to share your opinion, just like we'll never convince you to share ours. So quit being a negative force in here and go start your own anti hi-fi forum where members in there can cling to every word that comes out of your mouth.

[quote user="bloney"]

Burnt in, indeed!  I agree with you on the is one Oldphrt!  I would be interested to hear the same cable type, but one fresh one and one burnt in one for comparison!

Isn't it odd though that, as far as I'm aware, the burn in period will always bring improvements! 

But, as I've said before, just 'cos I don't understand it, doesn't mean I think it's impossible (I mean - how can the  moon be made of cheese?!  But it is.).

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Now I can't comment about cables, but I almost returned my new CD player in the first few days that I brought it home, thinking it was faulty because it sounded so different from what I heard in the store. However, now that it's been properly run-in, I couldn't be happier. Frankly, I wouldn't have believed it myself that running-in has that much of a difference, but I believe it now that I've heard it with my own ears.

For example, you've now experienced for yourself how different every interconnect sounds, so do you think that oldphrt can convince you otherwise with some technical theory of why interconnects cannot sound different? The thing is to keep your mind open until your own experience proves/disproves the theory.

[quote user="hifikrazy"]Why don't you give up on your one man crusade to convert all the forummers here who do believe in cables [/quote] 

"Believe in cables". Says it all really.

"I refuse to prove that my cables will make your system sound better", says the snake oil vendor, "for proof denies faith, and without faith, you will hear nothing."

Are you really that cynical to think that all the adults in here are totally incapable of forming their own opinions based on their own listening experiences, or do you think that they are all like your primary school students?

[quote user="hifikrazy"]do you think that oldphrt can convince you otherwise with some technical theory of why interconnects cannot sound different? The thing is to keep your mind open until your own experience proves/disproves the theory.[/quote] 

If the difference can't be measured by electronic means then there is no way in the world that it can be heard. Keep your mind open but don't let your brains fall out.

[quote user="hifikrazy"]

Are you really that cynical to think that all the adults in here are totally incapable of forming their own opinions based on their own listening experiences

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 I'm certainly cynical about those that are profiteering from the lack of knowledge of some hi-fi punters but in your case I'm more than happy to let you waste your money.

BTW it's my wife that's the teacher. 

In that case, billions of people in this world must be out of their mind to believe in God, since there is no scientific proof of his existence.

[quote user="oldphrt"]

I'm certainly cynical about those that are profiteering from the lack of knowledge of some hi-fi punters but in your case I'm more than happy to let you waste your money.

BTW it's my wife that's the teacher. 

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I would certainly agree that I'm no scientist in this matter, but I trust my ears most of all, and I'm certainly not gullible enough to let those ears be fooled into hearing what I've read in hi-fi mags. And I think that I'm not the only adult audiophile with such "sensibility".

For the record, many a time I have auditioned an equipment that has received rave reviews in a mag, but could not hear what the fuss is all about.

[quote user="hifikrazy"]

In that case, billions of people in this world must be out of their mind to believe in God, since there is no scientific proof of his existence.

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Were the Greeks right to believe in their gods? 

[quote user="oldphrt"]

Were the Greeks right to believe in their gods? 

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Will history prove that Christians were any more right or wrong in believing in theirs?

[quote user="hifikrazy"]I almost returned my new CD player in the first few days that I brought it home, thinking it was faulty because it sounded so different from what I heard in the store. However, now that it's been properly run-in, I couldn't be happier.[/quote] 

It's more likely because your ears became used to the way it sounded in your house. Ears are like that.