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Made in Britain? Sadly, not.

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Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 6:49 PM

Made in Britain? Sadly, not.

I recently went out looking for speakers and a new amplifier, and was shocked to find that very little seems to be made in Britain, or indeed Europe, these days. My information may not be accurate, but apparently such great names as KEF, Wharfedale, Mission, Mordaunt Short, Audiolab, and some B&W, Arcam and Quad are no longer made in the UK.

Now, I'm not xenophobic, nor am I arguing about the quality, it's just that I wanted to support the local industry. When I expanded the net to Europe, I found that even the nominally Danish speaker component manufacturers such as peerless and scanspeak are also made offshore.

Are there, apart from Naim and Rega, any purely local manufacturers left? I've also got the horrible feeling that some fine names are no more than labels now.

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 6:54 PM

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Linn.
Source: Arcam CD73T & Marantz 10B


Amplifier: Arcam FMJ A32 & MF X-CANv8


Headphones: Denon AH-D5000 & Grado SR60


Speakers: Wharfedale EVO2-30 & B&W 685

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 6:58 PM

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Sugden.

Rega P2
Ortofon 2M Red
Rega Fono-Mini
Arcam Solo-Mini
Rega R3 loudspeakers
Chord interconnect and speaker cables
Isotek Premium & Tacima CS929 (mains cable and block)

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 7:04 PM

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Cyrus.
Spendor.

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 7:06 PM

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Proac too. Howvever I feel issue can be overly and perhaps wrongly pointed out to mean a decrease in quality. With effective quality control it should mean the same or BETTER quality product can be made for a cheaper price therefore offering us (the customers) a better value product than would be possible otherwise. Of course the cynical among us may say the only benefit is for the overseas replica industry......
'Yeah, I'm going to bring you something, alright. I decided to make you a special project of mine. You ain't going have to come looking for me at all.' Llewelyn Moss - No Country For Old Men

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 7:10 PM

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JAXON5:
Of course the cynical among us may say the only benefit is for the overseas replica industry......



The only benefit is for the overseas replica industry......

Source: Arcam CD73T & Marantz 10B


Amplifier: Arcam FMJ A32 & MF X-CANv8


Headphones: Denon AH-D5000 & Grado SR60


Speakers: Wharfedale EVO2-30 & B&W 685

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 7:13 PM

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Needless to say, that only means you're one of the cynics.
'Yeah, I'm going to bring you something, alright. I decided to make you a special project of mine. You ain't going have to come looking for me at all.' Llewelyn Moss - No Country For Old Men

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 7:20 PM

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I remember back in the 1960s (as a child) when Japanese goods were commonly lampooned in Britain as being shoddy or 'J#p-C##p' (probably by the same generation who fought in WW2), this was about the same time their excellently built, reliable and cheap motorbikes took off in popularity and their superbly built, reliable and cheap cameras stormed the market. Never seen anyone complain about 1960s Japanese built items like the Denon DL-103.



I don't really give this stuff a thought. If I ever bought a Czech or Chinese or Japanese or Brazilian or Westcliff-on-Sea hi-fi product it would be on the grounds of sound quality, build, cost and (maybe) looks.

Rega P2
Ortofon 2M Red
Rega Fono-Mini
Arcam Solo-Mini
Rega R3 loudspeakers
Chord interconnect and speaker cables
Isotek Premium & Tacima CS929 (mains cable and block)

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 7:34 PM

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It's the same with most industries. Take cars, for instance. Name a popular family car that's all British? The world of audio visual is no different. It's a sad reflextion on the influence [or lack of] in Britain in a competitive and overcrowded marketplace.


Wharfedale were actually American, originally owned by Rank Organisation.

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 7:48 PM

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I believe Arcam and Spendor manufacture in the UK.

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 7:51 PM

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plastic penguin:

It's the same with most industries. Take cars, for instance. Name a popular family car that's all British? The world of audio visual is no different. It's a sad reflextion on the influence [or lack of] in Britain in a competitive and overcrowded marketplace.



No it isn't. It is a simple fact of economics. The Chinese workers get paid about a 10th of what workers on a production line in the UK do, so the manufacturer can make more money by outsourcing. Exactly the same thing that happened with telephone help desks.

However, I wouldn't worry about it. The average developing country production line worker is grateful for work, unlike the same person in the UK, and in all likelihood, far more conciencious.

Saying that, my Dali speakers, and Lyngdorf amp are made in Denmark, and my Harmony DAC, in Sweden... ;)

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Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 7:56 PM

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plastic penguin:

It's the same with most industries. Take cars, for instance. Name a popular family car that's all British? The world of audio visual is no different. It's a sad reflextion on the influence [or lack of] in Britain in a competitive and overcrowded marketplace.


Wharfedale were actually American, originally owned by Rank Organisation.



No they weren't. Wharfedale were originally British but were eventually purchased by the Rank Organisation. Now they are of course owned by IAG who also own Audiolab, Quad, Mission, and Castle.

I personally don't think this is an issue. Yes, it would be wonderful if goods were manufactured in Britain, but it doesn't make any difference ultimately and British manufacture is hardly an automatic sign of great craftsmanship anymore. Just look at the rubbish Rover/MG were churning out at the end.
T/table: Thorens TD150MkII/Mission Solitaire
CD: ?
Tuner: ?
Amplifier: ?
Speakers: Wharfedale Diamond 9.1
H/Phones: Beyer DT770 Pro/Senn. HD595
CD of week: Night Train (O. Peterson Trio)

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 8:10 PM

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fr0g:
plastic penguin:

It's the same with most industries. Take cars, for instance. Name a popular family car that's all British? The world of audio visual is no different. It's a sad reflextion on the influence [or lack of] in Britain in a competitive and overcrowded marketplace.



No it isn't. It is a simple fact of economics. The Chinese workers get paid about a 10th of what workers on a production line in the UK do, so the manufacturer can make more money by outsourcing. Exactly the same thing that happened with telephone help desks.

However, I wouldn't worry about it. The average developing country production line worker is grateful for work, unlike the same person in the UK, and in all likelihood, far more conciencious


Saying that, my Dali speakers, and Lyngdorf amp are made in Denmark, and my Harmony DAC, in Sweden... ;)


Scandinavian stuff is really distinctively sylish imo. Swedish esp (no ikea jokes pls). Not sure about Norway though. Still at least they can lay claim to


'Yeah, I'm going to bring you something, alright. I decided to make you a special project of mine. You ain't going have to come looking for me at all.' Llewelyn Moss - No Country For Old Men

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 8:10 PM

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plastic penguin:

Wharfedale were actually American, originally owned by Rank Organisation.



Not until 1958 - Wharfedale was originally setup by Gilbert Briggs who created the Wharfedale Wireless Works.

Source: Arcam CD73T & Marantz 10B


Amplifier: Arcam FMJ A32 & MF X-CANv8


Headphones: Denon AH-D5000 & Grado SR60


Speakers: Wharfedale EVO2-30 & B&W 685

Posted on Jul 21, 2008, 8:12 PM

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matthewpiano:


No they weren't. Wharfedale were originally British but were eventually purchased by the Rank Organisation.



Sorry, I beg your pardon! note to self: read threads thoroughly first!

Source: Arcam CD73T & Marantz 10B


Amplifier: Arcam FMJ A32 & MF X-CANv8


Headphones: Denon AH-D5000 & Grado SR60


Speakers: Wharfedale EVO2-30 & B&W 685

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