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Has anyone here compared a Technics SL-1210 with 'hifi' turntables like the Rega?

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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 12:14 PM

Has anyone here compared a Technics SL-1210 with 'hifi' turntables like the Rega?

I am a previous owner of three Rega Planars (two Planar 3 and a Planar 2) and they were good machines. However I always felt a little 'short-changed' on the deal. The arms were great and no doubt the spindle bearing cost a fair bit but the rest of the package was cheap - cheap - cheap.



Cheap lid hinges which were a joke, cheap chipboard plinth with cheap plastic laminate, cheap looking rubber feet, bad cable, cheap finish (even on my last one which was blue) and underneath it got worse with wobbly motor and a plastic pulley where no-one had even bothered to trim off the injection moulded 'flashing' which would have snagged the rubber band if I had not trimmed it off myself!



OK my last Rega Planar 3 (the blue one with a Goldring 1042) was some years ago now. A close friend recently purchased - at my recommendation - a Rega P3-24 with Elys and TT-PSU and Fono Mini. It is evident that Rega are still up to their usual bang-up QC tricks. Although the unit sounds great it still looks like it was built as a GCSE school project by 16 year olds! It has some refinements; better signal lead and better motor but the RB-301 arm is still dotted with little powder coated metal 'burrs' and the pulley is still un-trimmed and the anti-skate 'plunger' is a joke. Imprecise, loose and easily pushed in by accident. Same for the counterweight. On my old Rega 3 at least I got a nice small, heavy and tight fitting counterweight but the new ones are big and light and sloppy.



I bring all this up because I have been thinking about setting up a seperate Vinyl/PC system in another room and have been reading a lot about different turntable options. (I am out of the loop a bit after many years). Of course the Rega is still up there at the top from past (and present) experience of the sound I cannot ignore it. (I can happily ignore their MM cartridges though!) BUT. I have been reading an awful lot lately about people turning away from such things as Projects and Regas and turning to the venerable Technics SL-1210 (and one or two other good old DD units from the 1970s like the PL-71). I had my doubts but an awful lot of seemingly sensible people, some with a LOT better turntables than Regas, are heaping praise on the Technics SL-1210. The machine has been 'hiding' in teenagers bedrooms and clubs and transit vans, safe from the scrutiny of hifi mags for some 30 years.



I saw the latest incarnation of the breed (Technics SL-1210M5GEB) and it looks a million dollars! It looks well built, well finished and is NOT a heap of plastic junk like my 'flat earth' derived prejudices led me to believe. It looks like a really capable bit of kit.



I have not had a chance to listen to one though. And especially not with a decent MC cartridge like a Denon DL-103 or AT OC9. So my question is; have any of you had the chance to listen to this gorgeous looking TT in a home hifi system context?



Did it compare favourably with 'hifi' turntables of a similar price (£350 - £499)?



Thanks



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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 12:56 PM

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Re: Has anyone here compared a Technics SL-1210 with 'hifi' turntables like the Rega?


There was a group test last year where self-styled 'audiophile' turntables whupped the Technics for sound. Course, if you want 'to DJ' (conjugate the verb.....) then the Technics is the one for you. I think the arm lets it down - there are forums elsewhere that have replaced the stock arm with a Rega with seemingly great results, but life's too short, to my mind.

If you want to be truly impressed by build quality, look at Clearaudio, Michell and further up the ranges of Rega and Project. My RPM5 is somewhere in the middle - fabulous engineering in the arm, good plinth, slightly shoddy MDF platter.

Course, you do know the Rega motor was deliberately decoupled from the plinth and was supposed to wobble, right....? Big Smile


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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 1:56 PM

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JohnDuncan:
Course, you do know the Rega motor was deliberately decoupled from the plinth and was supposed to wobble, right....? Big Smile


I think 'de-coupled' is a very fancy term for "held in place by a couple of drive belts" :-)



No I have no DJ aspirations, but if a really well made and great looking turntable can sound as good as one made from chipboard then I am game.



Maybe I am just getting a little jaundiced about what passes for hifi (or 'audiophile') nowadays and want something that was designed and engineered from the ground up as a turntable rather than a bit of laminated chipboard.



I am also looking at Thorens (older models as well as the current TD-160HD) because they engineered their turntables.

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Isotek Premium & Tacima (mains cable and block)

Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 2:45 PM

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chebby:

Maybe I am just getting a little jaundiced about what passes for hifi (or 'audiophile') nowadays and want something that was designed and engineered from the ground up as a turntable rather than a bit of laminated chipboard.



Have you looked at maybe a Clearaudio or a 2nd hand Roksan Radius - not a hint of chipboard there!


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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 3:18 PM

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Upgrade the arm (e.g. RB300, Michell or Origin counterweight), add a better cartridge and you have a serious deck that'll compete with almost anything up to £1000.

You don't need to fit the arm, life's not that short (sorry John!) and the results for the little time spent with your new Technics in a dealer's workshop for a day or two, whilst they do it for you, will be well worth it. Rock solid construction, a direct-drive motor which is pretty damn impressive and the aforementioned upgrades and you're away. Modded Technics decks as new are going for about £850 - saw one in Edinburgh the other week and it looked the part.





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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 3:52 PM

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Re: Has anyone here compared a Technics SL-1210 with 'hifi' turntables like the Rega?

I'm not a fan of the RB arms - the end-of-side distortion that they are known for really annoys me (I had a Planar 2 for 15 years so am well aquainted with this).

However, I would love to know what a 1210 with a Roksan Nima on it would sound like... anyone done this (or heard of this being done?)


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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 5:41 PM

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It is unlikely that I will be doing too much 'modifying' or arm changing. I will probably be using a Denon DL-103 in an Audio Technica or Sumiko headshell (if I get the SL-1210 Mk 5) and, in time, I will add to the collection of cartridges with their own headshells. (There are dedicated Mono Audio-Technica moving coil cartridges and all sorts of other interesting Japanese - vinyl related - gear that can be ordered cheaply direct from Japan that is simply not available in the UK or Europe) I would like to be able, eventually, to switch cartridges quickly and easily so there will be no RB-300s or RB-250s (despite knowing how good they sound.
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Rega Bias 2
Rega Fono-Mini
Arcam Solo-Mini
Rega R3 loudspeakers
Gotham GAC-1 and Chord cables
Isotek Premium & Tacima (mains cable and block)

Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 5:46 PM

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Re: Has anyone here compared a Technics SL-1210 with 'hifi' turntables like the Rega?

fatboyslimfast:
I'm not a fan of the RB arms - the end-of-side distortion that they are known for really annoys me (I had a Planar 2 for 15 years so am well aquainted with this).

However, I would love to know what a 1210 with a Roksan Nima on it would sound like... anyone done this (or heard of this being done?)


Rega always use 222mm Stephenson geometry with their arms/alignment gauge, specifically to minimise distortion towards the end of a disc. Nothing stopping you re-aligning your cartridge to a traditional Baerwald set-up, so long as you can get the required overhang with the slots in the Rega headshell and your particular cartridge.

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Rega Bias 2
Rega Fono-Mini
Arcam Solo-Mini
Rega R3 loudspeakers
Gotham GAC-1 and Chord cables
Isotek Premium & Tacima (mains cable and block)

Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 6:12 PM

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It might interest doubters to know that at it's peak the SL1210 was in service with 5000 Broadcasters worldwide and that most Disc mastering lathes in studios used the same Technics direct drive platter because a belt drive wasn't good enough to hold the speed accurately while cutting.

Hi Fi enthusiasts tend to be snobbish about them, but the truth is they are a masterpiece.

Ashley
Manufacturer www.avihifi.com

Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 7:59 PM

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Re: Has anyone here compared a Technics SL-1210 with 'hifi' turntables like the Rega?

chebby:
if a really well made and great looking turntable can sound as good as one made from chipboard then I am game


QED:





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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 8:11 PM

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In true Bullseye terminology, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another:-



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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 8:13 PM

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Nothing in this game for three in a bed.........





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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 8:16 PM

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Let's see what you could've won!



(For about £50k!)



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Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 8:21 PM

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Re: Has anyone here compared a Technics SL-1210 with 'hifi' turntables like the Rega?

Yech! (Especially yech for the "Baby's bottle teat on a frisbee" pic. What is that?)



Can't you find some good looking turntables?



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Isotek Premium & Tacima (mains cable and block)

Posted on Jul 15, 2008, 8:23 PM

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And this is - wait for it - one hundred and eeeeeiiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttyyyyy (grand). No really.





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