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Made in Britain? Sadly, not.

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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 9:17 AM

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>> Nobody has trodden on my sore point.It was a philosophical observation with a hint of humour.

(well it made me laugh)    <<

 

Whhhooooooo!  (Knots and Knickers - Toys and Prams  -- come to mind!)

Good job they hadnt trod upon your ......

Now THAT would NOT be a laughing mater

;-)


Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 9:28 AM

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Solomon1:
Taksinridgeback:

I recently went out looking for speakers and a new amplifier, and was shocked to find that very little seems to be made in Britain, or indeed Europe, these days. My information may not be accurate, but apparently such great names as KEF, Wharfedale, Mission, Mordaunt Short, Audiolab, and some B&W, Arcam and Quad are no longer made in the UK.

Now, I'm not xenophobic, nor am I arguing about the quality, it's just that I wanted to support the local industry. When I expanded the net to Europe, I found that even the nominally Danish speaker component manufacturers such as peerless and scanspeak are also made offshore.



It's all about choices. Choose British and you'll be supporting what you stand for. Although I don't have much choice when I limit my choice to Dutch based hifi. There are some high end brands here but I suspect most of it is made using as much outsourcing as possible- as this is the most economical way of enterprise.
For as far as funds allow, I buy locally produced goods. In case of food, because it's fresher.

In case of electronics it's more complicated. I have some reservations buying Chinese goods because of the type of government and working conditions I'll be maintaining with my purchases.
Lets face it: we hardly ever consider where things are coming from and what effect our own choices have.

Truth is, an awful lot of 'British' hi-fi is made in the Far East, but
it's none the worse for that. And some of the Chinese factories I've
been round would frankly put ours to shame. 

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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 10:53 AM

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Andy Clough:
Solomon1:
Taksinridgeback:

I recently went out looking for speakers and a new amplifier, and was shocked to find that very little seems to be made in Britain, or indeed Europe, these days. My information may not be accurate, but apparently such great names as KEF, Wharfedale, Mission, Mordaunt Short, Audiolab, and some B&W, Arcam and Quad are no longer made in the UK.

Now, I'm not xenophobic, nor am I arguing about the quality, it's just that I wanted to support the local industry. When I expanded the net to Europe, I found that even the nominally Danish speaker component manufacturers such as peerless and scanspeak are also made offshore.



It's all about choices. Choose British and you'll be supporting what you stand for. Although I don't have much choice when I limit my choice to Dutch based hifi. There are some high end brands here but I suspect most of it is made using as much outsourcing as possible- as this is the most economical way of enterprise.
For as far as funds allow, I buy locally produced goods. In case of food, because it's fresher.

In case of electronics it's more complicated. I have some reservations buying Chinese goods because of the type of government and working conditions I'll be maintaining with my purchases.
Lets face it: we hardly ever consider where things are coming from and what effect our own choices have.

Truth is, an awful lot of 'British' hi-fi is made in the Far East, but
it's none the worse for that. And some of the Chinese factories I've
been round would frankly put ours to shame. 



Having been round Longbridge car factory a few years back I can identify with this

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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 12:07 PM

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JoelSim:

Having been round Longbridge car factory a few years back I can identify with this

I'll let you know what the Bentley factory is like when I've been round it next week.

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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 1:16 PM

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Great thread but the fact remains that if i wanted a Ferrari I'd want it built in Italy. If all these overseas factories are so GREAT why is that the "Valve" fraternity seek out old British made valves rather than the new chinese ones. Why? Because the new ones are sub standard and poorly made, I'd even go as far to say dangerous! The really hilarious thing is while working with a chinese company recently the music enthusiasts all wanted old Macintosh and Linn equipment as they think there own stuff is rubbish! I tend to agree with them.
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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 1:18 PM

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Lugs:
why is that the "Valve" fraternity seek out old British made valves rather than the new chinese ones. Why? Because the new ones are sub standard and poorly made, I'd even go as far to say dangerous!

And your evidence for that statement is? 

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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 1:23 PM

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If I wanted a Ferrari, the last place I'd want it made is Italy, frankly.


But instead it just kept on raining

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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 1:29 PM

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If I could afford a Ferrari then I'd be living in Italy.

Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 1:30 PM

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JohnDuncan:
If I wanted a Ferrari, the last place I'd want it made is Italy, frankly.


Funny fact: Italian cars' electronics are usually their greatest weakness, even though it was an Italian who invented electricity.
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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 1:30 PM

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Taksinridgeback:
If I could afford a Ferrari then I'd be living in Italy.


True, me too. Driving a German car.


But instead it just kept on raining

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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 1:31 PM

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Solomon1:
JohnDuncan:
If I wanted a Ferrari, the last place I'd want it made is Italy, frankly.


Funny fact: Italian cars' electronics are usually their greatest weakness, even though it was an Italian who invented electricity.


God being Roman, obviously.


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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 1:57 PM

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JohnDuncan:
God being Roman, obviously.

Greek, surely?

(and no, I didn't just call you Shirley)

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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 2:00 PM

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I can only confirm from a musicians point of few that the chinese made valves sound wrong. They have the wrong tone. As for the chinese made valve amplifiers being dangerous? Are you kidding me! You have not heard the horror stories? Would you let your children sleep in a house with one of those things in it? Doubt it? And as for the italian made electronics. Have a look at some of the hifi coming out of Italy. Notably the speakers. FANTASTICO! Oh and what company wins F1 year in year out? I have owned an Alfa Romeo once, doubtful ever again though. hahaha
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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 2:01 PM

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I've heard plenty of 'stories' - just haven't seen any evidence.
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Posted on Jul 24, 2008, 2:02 PM

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Lugs:
Oh and what company wins F1 year in year out?

Renault 2 out of the last 3 years, but that wouldn't inspire me to buy a French car...

Put away those fiery biscuits...

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